truth that angers
Published on July 14, 2005 By Reiki-House In Current Events
This thread is a quiz. I trust you all can do this with no problems. I would like a true or false answer, and I'd like you to answer them before you explain or justify anything. I ask you to do this quiz and let me say now this is a direct challenge which, if not taken, will prove much evidence to my credibility and will lower your own. So if anyone here, hawks mostly, choose not to take this quiz, then they are definite and bona fide weaklings who cannot respond to serious questions. The response should be like this: 1. false 2 false 3 true 4 false etc.....
Can you rise to a higher standard? Take the quiz and find out where you stand logically speaking.



1. If another country, any country, invaded and occupied the USA illegally and unilaterally, outside the legal international cover of the UN, I would not partake in any resistance fighting or aid any resistance groups who are attacking or simply working against the foreign occupying troops who occupy Washington D.C. TRUE FALSE

2. If another country, any country, invaded and occupied the USA illegally and unilaterally, outside the legal international cover of the UN, and one of my relatives or immediate family members were killed at a foreign-occupying-troop checkstop on the outskirts of Washington D.C. I would not turn their killer or killers into an enemy and I would continue to work with the foreign-occupying-troops in trying to rebuild the USA under foreign occupying troops' jurisdictions. TRUE FALSE

3. If I was on trial for whatever reason (make one up, not relevant) and the judge at my trial disclosed a written and clearly genuine memorandum which stated that the 'The evidence against Your Name Here is weak, but Your Name Here's guilty verdict has already been decided and the evidence at his trial is being fixed around that decision', I would not think think I was being wrongly accused and that 'fixed evidence' does not mean I am being wrongly framed. TRUE FALSE

4. If I or anyone in my family were punched hard and pushed to the ground by someone who lives on Avenue A, I would start making preparations and plans to punch and push to the ground someone who lives on Avenue G. TRUE FALSE

5. If an American was lying wounded inside a Catholic Church in Washington D.C., and a foreign occupying troop entered the church and shot the wounded and clearly helpless American in the head and executing him, on camera, I would not think any (war) crime was committed. TRUE FALSE

6. If my former friend had a boss who always painfully butted his cigar on his back, I would tell everyone at the office that the boss is mean and evil and I would get rid of him in any way I could, and then I would start putting my cigars out on my former friend myself. TRUE FALSE

7. If another nation or foreign power invaded the USA, I would help the occupying troops by telling them which neighbours and which friends of mine didn't like them and were thinking about maybe rising up to oppose them. TRUE FALSE

8. If I placed a large wall around an old friend's house and stopped allowing fresh food and clean water and all medicines and all medical equipment and supplies from being delivered for ten years, I'd think that people would believe me when I tell them on the eleventh year that I care about the well-being of the people in that (my old friend's) house. TRUE FALSE

9. I believe it's ok for any amount of innocent people to be killed as long as the intended target is killed. TRUE FALSE

10. If I have never fought men with guns before, and I sent 140 friends with guns from my neighbourhood to another neighbourhood to be surrounded by 100,000 people with guns, I would tell the 100,000 people to come and try beat up my outnumbered friends. TRUE FALSE

11. I think that foreign people who don't even speak my language would have a better understanding of what is right for me and my people. TRUE FALSE

12. If I always tell people I am only trying to do what's right and good, and if I really want them to trust me about that, I would employ the use of torture on those people. TRUE FALSE

13. If a foreign nation invaded the USA and the resisting Americans are making safe hiding spots deep in the forests where they can safely plan their attacks and rest their tired bodies, and the foreign nation decided to use millions of gallons of extremely toxic chemicals to defoliate the trees and leaves the resisting Americans were hiding under, I would not consider that toxic chemical use a war crime or even the characteristics of chemical warfare. TRUE FALSE

14. If I went into someone's poor neighbourhood and told the people there I wanted to bring them freedom and liberation and prosperity, I would rape their women and sodomize their men. TRUE FALSE

15. If I were sending friends to a hostile place where they could be hurt or killed, and I was so rich I had hundreds of billions of dollars to spend and obviously had the choice of armored or non-armored vehicles, I would choose to send my friends the hostile place with no armored vehicles. TRUE FALSE

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on Jul 14, 2005
I ask you to do this quiz and let me say now this is a direct challenge which, if not taken, will prove much evidence to my credibility and will lower your own.


I hope noone bothers to take this silly bait. As if answers to these loaded questions would change RH's opinion, of things in general or himself in particular. What arrogance. Just another attempt to establish moral equivalence where none exists.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Jul 14, 2005
1. False
2. False
3. False
4. True
5. lacks details
6. False
7. False
8. False
9. False
10. False
11. Lacks Details
12. Maybe
13. Maybe
14. False
15. False

I complied with your silly qestions. Now how about one for you. Just excatly where has any of this happened? Like most of your work this is a fictional piece.
on Jul 14, 2005
OK, john. You're excused since your answers were all correct.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Jul 14, 2005
I would like a true or false answer, and I'd like you to answer them before you explain or justify anything. I ask you to do this quiz and let me say now this is a direct challenge which, if not taken, will prove much evidence to my credibility and will lower your own


Do you want your version of the truth, or do you want the actual truth? I'm prepared to give you the latter, but I think that you're looking for the former.

Giving what you consider to be the 'wrong' answer is only going to give credibility to people's opinion that you're mentally ill and delusional, Reiki. In case you hadn't noticed, most of the regulars here have already paired you with the likes of Tracy Givens who is obviously suffering from some kind of paranoid delusion.

You're just giving them more reason to think that way and not take you seriously.
on Jul 14, 2005
1. I don't know, when I see an "illegal" war, I'll ask it.

2. Same stupid question, same stupid answer as #1.

3. "make one up, not relevant"... so's the question.

4. When I see an international scenario like this one, I'll let you know.

5. Unless you are at war with the Catholic Church, how does this scenario relate to war?

6. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar... you should keep that in mind.

7. If I see that scenario going on somewhere, and the U.S. is involved, I'll let you know.

8. Is this question regarding the Supreme Court's recent decision on "eminant domain"?

9. I don't know, go ask the bacteria, they're the ones who target kids standing around a military vehicle.

10. If your house was on fire, would you try to fight it yourself, or would you call 9/11? If you would call 9/11 would you stay to "help" fight the fire, or expect the people who are trained and have the means to fight the fire to do the job you sent them to do? If it took longer than a few minutes to put out the fire, would you whine that they didn't have enough firefighters or equipment? If a firefighter got killed would you tell the rest of the firefighters to go home? If the fire was at a neighbor's house and one of the neighbors complained that the firefighters were messing up the lawn, should the firefighters pack up and leave?

11. I think the only language you understand is hatred for America and Prs. Bush and love for the useless UN.

12. I don't know, go ask a nation who uses torture in this way.

13. Is this a question about people using drugs in the woods?

14. True, I believe you would.

15. 1. If another country, any country, invaded and occupied the USA illegally and unilaterally, outside the legal international cover of the UN, I would not partake in any resistance fighting or aid any resistance groups who are attacking or simply working against the foreign occupying troops who occupy Washington D.C. TRUE FALSE

2. If another country, any country, invaded and occupied the USA illegally and unilaterally, outside the legal international cover of the UN, and one of my relatives or immediate family members were killed at a foreign-occupying-troop checkstop on the outskirts of Washington D.C. I would not turn their killer or killers into an enemy and I would continue to work with the foreign-occupying-troops in trying to rebuild the USA under foreign occupying troops' jurisdictions. TRUE FALSE

3. If I was on trial for whatever reason (make one up, not relevant) and the judge at my trial disclosed a written and clearly genuine memorandum which stated that the 'The evidence against Your Name Here is weak, but Your Name Here's guilty verdict has already been decided and the evidence at his trial is being fixed around that decision', I would not think think I was being wrongly accused and that 'fixed evidence' does not mean I am being wrongly framed. TRUE FALSE

4. If I or anyone in my family were punched hard and pushed to the ground by someone who lives on Avenue A, I would start making preparations and plans to punch and push to the ground someone who lives on Avenue G. TRUE FALSE

5. If an American was lying wounded inside a Catholic Church in Washington D.C., and a foreign occupying troop entered the church and shot the wounded and clearly helpless American in the head and executing him, on camera, I would not think any (war) crime was committed. TRUE FALSE

6. If my former friend had a boss who always painfully butted his cigar on his back, I would tell everyone at the office that the boss is mean and evil and I would get rid of him in any way I could, and then I would start putting my cigars out on my former friend myself. TRUE FALSE

7. If another nation or foreign power invaded the USA, I would help the occupying troops by telling them which neighbours and which friends of mine didn't like them and were thinking about maybe rising up to oppose them. TRUE FALSE

8. If I placed a large wall around an old friend's house and stopped allowing fresh food and clean water and all medicines and all medical equipment and supplies from being delivered for ten years, I'd think that people would believe me when I tell them on the eleventh year that I care about the well-being of the people in that (my old friend's) house. TRUE FALSE

9. I believe it's ok for any amount of innocent people to be killed as long as the intended target is killed. TRUE FALSE

10. If I have never fought men with guns before, and I sent 140 friends with guns from my neighbourhood to another neighbourhood to be surrounded by 100,000 people with guns, I would tell the 100,000 people to come and try beat up my outnumbered friends. TRUE FALSE

11. I think that foreign people who don't even speak my language would have a better understanding of what is right for me and my people. TRUE FALSE

12. If I always tell people I am only trying to do what's right and good, and if I really want them to trust me about that, I would employ the use of torture on those people. TRUE FALSE

13. If a foreign nation invaded the USA and the resisting Americans are making safe hiding spots deep in the forests where they can safely plan their attacks and rest their tired bodies, and the foreign nation decided to use millions of gallons of extremely toxic chemicals to defoliate the trees and leaves the resisting Americans were hiding under, I would not consider that toxic chemical use a war crime or even the characteristics of chemical warfare. TRUE FALSE

14. If I went into someone's poor neighbourhood and told the people there I wanted to bring them freedom and liberation and prosperity, I would rape their women and sodomize their men. TRUE FALSE

15. In an area where multi ton vehicles are being "flipped over" by "IEDs", I wouldn't consider a little armor on a HMMWV worth being overblown in the press.


No, I didn't answer your questions the way you wanted me to, I guess I have a problem recognizing your authority to tell me how to answer questions. It's like I've told a few lawyers in depositions, you can ask me any question you like, but you can't tell me how to answer!

No, I don't expect you to answer the questions I asked in lieu of answers. They were jokes, just like you pathetic quiz.
on Jul 14, 2005
First this is no trick it's only responding to a question relating to current events and people's interpretations of them. Second, JustJohn I want to say thanks for responding, negatively or not, and in the way I requested. Thanks for giving some respect. Dharmgirl and Littlewhip won't give an ounce of courtesy even when nicely asked. But that's fine. So John...

1. FALSE----->That's good. So you would be determined to fight the foreign soldiers who have taken effective control over your country and who would be trying to rebuild to their specifications. And that's precisely what the Iraqi freedom fighting nationalists think as well. According to international laws the US themselves promoted and helped create, the US, by invading Iraq without UN approval and international consent, turned the invasion of Iraq into international war crimes if you abide by the laws the US demand other nations to consent and adhere to.

2. FALSE----->Again that's good. If someone illegally invaded the US and then occupied it, you would, if you happened to have lost a close relative to violence, decide that your relatives killers were now your enemy. So even if you were alright with the illegal occupation of your country at first, once violence took a loved one's life you would turn to the insurgency to fight your loved one's killer.

3. FALSE----->So then you must understand already that when the Brit intelligence memo says the word 'fixed' that means manipulated which means obstruction which means illegal which means indictable. Right?

4. TRUE------>Can you explain why you would commit violent retaliatory attacks against someone who wasn't involved with what is grieving you? I think you don't really mean that 'true' answer.

5. LACKS DETAILS----> Well it's not really a surprise you pretend to not fully comprehend the implications had you responded to the question with a truth. I'll put it in a way you can't pretend to feign ignorance. Do you think it would be a war crime if a foreign occupation soldier shot a wounded and clearly helpless American in the head, twice, at near point-blank range? If you could now clarify and/or respond to the question now.

6. FALSE----> So you mnorally denounce the rationale that the US is in Iraq to help the Iraqi people and liberate them from a torturous government when they in fact torture just like the evil Sadaam Hussein did. Are you saying when they do it it's torture, and when we do it it's counter-intelligence?

7. FALSE----> So you also admit that the Iraqi people who work for the Americans and work against their own people are a grave threat and whose deaths would make the Iraqi people safer and more secure. Or is it ok for Iraqis to be traitors to their country but not for the Americans to be traitors to theirs?

8. FALSE-----> So you do not buy into the current US policy claim that the US is just trying to help the Iraqi people out of humanitarian reasons. That if you decimate a civilian population it is not the act of someone who cares for them. Bombed water stations, electrical stations, power grids...

9. FALSE------> Good. So apartment buildings being blown up and innocents being killed for one scummy Palestinian terrorist is not proportional.

10. FALSE-----> Awesome John. So you condemn the short-sighted invitation to kill speech Bush made.

11. LACKS DETAILS---->Don't be coy John. You know what I'm saying. Would you accept and go along with policies and laws, in America, that were being decided in Baghdad? You know you wouldn't stand for it or abide by it or not take up arms against.

12. MAYBE----->So you think maybe torture could ever be classified and categorized as something which is 'right and good'? You don't mean that. You're saying the tortured Iraqis believe or may believe they were tortured for a good cause, like helping the Iraqi people?

13. MAYBE----->I see the transparent pattern you're employing with these responses. I'll get to that at the end.

14. FALSE---->The rape of Iraqi women and even youngsters is documented fact. What is your position on this issue in relation to your believing the US is only trying to 'help' and 'liberate' the Iraqi people? Are you in the middle of a contradiction?

15. FALSE---->What is your opinion on the sad fact that 80% of US deaths are attributed to unarmored vehicles affording the GI's no protection? What do you say to condemn the comment made by someone in the US military vehicle manufacturing business, where he said their unarmored vehicle's 'Armor Yourself Kits' are only providing "psychological armor" to the troops. Meaning of course that the troops THINK they're in a newly armored vehicle but there's something they don't know about, and if they did they'd mutiny....The specification the military usees to determine their vehicles' armor standards is that they have to stop "the equivalent of a pellet fired from a pellet gun. Something like 19 grains at 435 feet per second. I mentioned this to the officer. 'Yeah, right, (he said). We call it psychological armor'".

In sum John your responses were well calculated and evades the obvious in a very cloaked manner. But that aside, it's interesting your "lacks details" responses were only in relation to blatant and transparent war crimes which you know you cannot hope to defend or argue in favor of successfully.
So in #5 you don't think two shots into the head of a wounded and helpless Iraqi, on video, gives you enough details to determine right and wrong. Like I said...calculated.
In #11 you're saying you don't have enough details to determine whether or not your submitting to laws made by people who don't speak you own language is ludicrously insane. You know full well how you would respond to some foreign soldier on US soil who is telling you to obey laws written in a language you can't even read let alone understand. Your jury is still out on this? Again, calculated response.
In #12 you're saying that you can torture people and make the tortured believe it's for their own good. Uh huh.
In #13 you're saying you're unsure if soaking land with toxic herbicides and poisoning vast land areas which are known to cause cancer and other health risks for decades and decades to come. You should give a shit that Vietnamese are still living with that toxic legacy and are still giving birth to deformed babies. Courtesy of Agent Orange. Well, I for one am sure it's chemical warfare and a crime. Unfortunately you're confused by the easy logic.
What is fictional about my thread?
on Jul 14, 2005
#7
ParaTed what do you think the US is asking the Iraqis to do? The US has even used kidnapping of women and children to get the wanted father to turn himself in. Collective punishment banned by the US-signed Geneva files. The US expects Iraqis to fight other Iraqis for them. Just check out ShadowWar's propaganda news reports where the US policy of Iraqification is working great wonders. Right.
on Jul 14, 2005
"Just another attempt to establish moral equivalence where none exists"
And that's why when the US commits atrocities it's called counter-terrorism, and when some dark fellows commit atrocities it's terrorism. When you spout off about morality and freedom, you have the direct responsibility to act at a higher moral level than the others.
on Jul 14, 2005
ParaTed what do you think the US is asking the Iraqis to do? The US has even used kidnapping of women and children to get the wanted father to turn himself in. Collective punishment banned by the US-signed Geneva files. The US expects Iraqis to fight other Iraqis for them. Just check out ShadowWar's propaganda news reports where the US policy of Iraqification is working great wonders. Right.


Oh, so you did choose to reply with a joke answer. However, jokes need to have a modicum of truth in order to work. Your lies don't fit the bill.

I now return you to your normal, hatefilled life already in progress.

btw, I showed you and your pathetic quiz all the respect you (or it) deserved.
on Jul 14, 2005
First this is no trick it's only responding to a question relating to current events and people's interpretations of them.


But you asked for true and false answers. How can you get people's interpretations of things when you're only giving them a 'true' or a 'false' option with which to respond? Also, 'truth' is, as I said, highly subjective.


Dharmgirl and Littlewhip won't give an ounce of courtesy even when nicely asked.


Reiki, I have been very courteous to you so far. I was very courteous to you last night when I took the time to explain the way the military works, and I've been nothing but polite to you today. I can drop the politeness if you like.....I'm perfectly happy to do that for you.

You let me know what you'd like me to do.
on Jul 15, 2005
1. FALSE----->That's good. So you would be determined to fight the foreign soldiers who have taken effective control over your country and who would be trying to rebuild to their specifications. And that's precisely what the Iraqi freedom fighting nationalists think as well. According to international laws the US themselves promoted and helped create, the US, by invading Iraq without UN approval and international consent, turned the invasion of Iraq into international war crimes if you abide by the laws the US demand other nations to consent and adhere to


NO they are NOT yo-yo! Most of the "insurgents"/terrorists are not even from Iraq. Grow a brain and quit using drugs!

#7
ParaTed what do you think the US is asking the Iraqis to do? The US has even used kidnapping of women and children to get the wanted father to turn himself in. Collective punishment banned by the US-signed Geneva files. The US expects Iraqis to fight other Iraqis for them. Just check out ShadowWar's propaganda news reports where the US policy of Iraqification is working great wonders. Right.


BS!!

14. FALSE---->The rape of Iraqi women and even youngsters is documented fact. What is your position on this issue in relation to your believing the US is only trying to 'help' and 'liberate' the Iraqi people? Are you in the middle of a contradiction?


MORE BS! Either back these accusations up with provable FACT or find something else to whine about.
on Jul 15, 2005
My opinion on this is; No thanks...not going to answer them...
on Jul 15, 2005
Only if you answer my quiz first.

True or False, and if you don't answer it automatically means I'm right.

1) If hundreds of people told me I was wrong everyday, I might consider the possibility that I am indeed wrong.

2) If hundreds of people told me I was paranoid and delusional every day, I might consider seeking a psychiatric evaluation.

3) If I expended energy on a blog-site where 99% of the other bloggers consider me an asshole, I might ponder looking for a blog site where I'd feel more welcome.


ROFLMAO.. Good one LW!! You see though you forgot one thing. RH is a troll and not worth answering. One he has never given any background as to why his outlooks should be taken seriously. Maybe if he answers my quiz I might think a little high of his opinions, or less..

RH answers these..
1. Have you ever served in the US Military?

2. Are you even a US Citizen?

3. Have you ever had anyone close to you affected by a terrorist incident?

4. Do you have any close friends serving in the US Military and currently serving in Iraq or other areas of war?

5. Have you ever dealt with anything remotly close to being shot, shot at, stabbed, or threatened with physical harm to you or aloved one?

6. Are you older than 16?

7. DO you like or dislike the United States?

Answer those and maybe you get a response. Then again maybe not.
on Jul 15, 2005
This quiz is so full of bs it isn't even funny.

RH, the war in Iraq was neither illegal or unilateral. Until you realize those two basic facts you have no credibility.
on Jul 15, 2005
I just read you dishonest "quiz" again and realized you are trying to justify terrorism. You are pathetic individual and you are just as bad as any islamic terrorist.
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