How do you people live, locked in that awful mood of gloom? You've made quite the bleak little world for yourself there.

I think if you don't find some other stuff to dwell on soon people are going to start edging away from you like they do with the other kooks. I don't find any of these points "undebateable". Actually, they have all been debated to death on more than one occasion.

You just think that since everyone is sick of talking about them, you can finally post a long synopsis and everyone will be too SICK OF IT to debate you. That doesn't make it undebateable, that just makes you more hard-headed than other people. Not the basis for "truth", if you ask me...

Like I said there is no way to seriously respond or argue the thread. An argument diversion or the opening of new tangents is the only way one can defend I suppose. Thanks Baker. Thanks for the response.

2. Your point?

3. The information was either faulty, rephrased or, revised by the administration.

4. I am not an engineer, but if a fire starts on the 78th floor, and smoke goes up, why would there be smoke 40-50 feet below the fire? Also, isn’t it possible that the intervening floors, hampered the spread of the fire?

5. Proof? How close were the family members? Would there be fear of reprisals?

6. Our actions were terrible towards certain people, but is there any evidence of the scope or the systematic torture that was prevalent in the Saddam regime?

7. Again, I am not a engineer, but “explosions” before the collapse could mean a few things.

IG

Just a simple question, is there anything about America you don't hate?

According to international laws the US sponsored and heavily promoted, and in fact constantly holds other nations to, it is illegal to kill an enemy soldier if he/she is a) unarmed and poses no physical threat, and wounded in combat. That is a law of war and indeed of simply being a good human. It's set in stone. To kill someone in the a) or manner is a war crime. And we all know it. No need for lame games here. If someone shot a US G.I. while he was lying helpless and wounded, you would all rightly call it a war crime. Here's the link to the uncommented-on thread I made a while ago.

Ok, well I'll argue with this. Not really that the Americans would be breaking the law as it stands, but that the law is actually just. It isn't. In war there are no rules. You are fighting a war because the agressor is out to physically harm you and isn't interested in civilization. Thus to allow any enemy that is trying to kill you to live, no matter what the scenario is ludicris.

You don't negotiate with terrorists because to do so would be to compromise with evil. Similarily you don't allow evil to live no matter the case. You kill, murder do whatever you want to call it, and go on killing them until you can be sure that they will lay down their arms and act in a civilized way, which is to say, do no physical harm to another unless that other does physical harm to them first.

This is why the US is back in Iraq. Instead of whiping them out the first time as should have been done, they left and it all boiled over again with terrorism etc. If they'd done the job and forced the issue by killing every last person that wanted to opress americans or even Kuwaitis this there would have been no need to go in a second time, and I dare say that 9/11 likely wouldn't have happened because just like this time, democracy would have taken hold and that would have been that. People like Bin Lauden wouldn't have been able to raise the money to do what they did, because they would have been marginalized by the great force that is freedom.

On another note, I see that subjectivist, there is no right and there is no wrong, and it's all about perspective Bakerstreet is back it again.... Gotta hand him this: He's consistant....

I see that the "There is no God and yet there is objective universal morality" John Galt is back at it again as well. Have to hand it to someone who takes the wheel of his own reality. It's just a shame he thinks that wheel steers the rest of us too. How very... communist? LMAO...

hmmmm....have you ever been in a situation where people are actively trying to kill you? Have you been forced to make a snap decision based on the information you have at hand? When you have, talk more about it. Until then back off.

"A comparative example is the color of a clear sky. We see it as blue. Who could argue something like that? Well, no one can."

You're aware that the sky isn't actually blue, but that blue is the only color that gets through the prizm to us, right?

"4. The plane hit the south World Trade Center around the 78th floor. A firefighter who was high up inside the WTC building said he was on the 74th floor where he was encountering "no smoke or fire problems". The transcript can be read or listened to here.
http://prisonplanet.com/multimedia_priorknowledge_firefighterstape.html
It can be stated with absolute reliability that there were 'no smoke or fire problems' on the 74th floor, which was four floors below the impact of the airliner. A fire that supposedly imploded the building due to extremely high temperatures wasn't large enough or damaging enough to create any sort of smoke or fire problems right below the impact area? "

I'll tell you why... you want this to be a conspiracy. It feeds your fears and hatreds to think of this event as something scripted by dark dwellers of smoke-filled rooms deep in the bowels of shadow government board rooms. Why... if this event were simply a hijacked plane (as were the other 3 that day), then... then... what would you do?

There are a lot of conspiracy theories floating around the internet. Some kind of make sense. Some don't. I'm not siding one way or the other.

However, given the conflicts of interest that is rampant in this administration, the Bin Laden family being just one example, it's no wonder that people are skeptical of the "truth".

Other examples of conflicts of interest:

Cheney and Halliburton
Bush family and Saudi family
Bush family and oil business

These are just off the top of my head, and I don't have the time to look at other examples. Maybe I'm trying to steer this article, but I sure would like to see what others' here see as examples of this administration's conflicts of interest, be it middle east politics, environment, war industry, etc. Maybe it should just be its own article.

But, back to the point of this article, these undeniable conflicts have led to conspiracy theories, clouded reasonable thinking, and ultimately dragged this country into a criminal war. A war that I would love to see the perpetrators, instigators and perpetuators in government held accountable.