truth that angers
Published on April 5, 2005 By Reiki-House In Current Events
No I'm not serious please understand that immediately. My point is that a person, in the west at least, should never have to go to trial for saying something like that. And this is happening all over the place. The US, Canada, and even parts of Europe have court cases where saying things like this was the charge. Are we in the west NOT losing freedoms we (not really me) think we really still possess? Are these not cases of a restricted society rather than an open free one? And when you lose freedoms in one sector, it cancels out the freedoms of other sectors. In the west, apparently, we can freely go to any library and read any books on any subject having to do with Jews and their role in the world and Europe prior to WW2. You can freely read books about Holocaust revisionism, about their insights into !their! bogus Holocaust. We can go there to learn about some factually-true insights as to the causes and reasons for WW2. We can read extremist-type books about the supposed Jewish dominance of the globe, particularly the US. But for some reason you can be charged for repeating the same things in a public setting. What's wrong with this picture? Should people not be free to say whatever they like with freedom of speech behind them? Of course I don't mean you should walk up to some negro and yell NIGGER into his face. That's harassment. But they should be free to say whatever they want about whoever they want whenever they want. And the odd thing is that this isn't applying to blacks or asians or any other group. It's only about the Jewish situation. Do you think we've lost some freedoms concerning free speech?
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on Apr 05, 2005
'Freedom to' vs 'freedom from' is the short answer to this. You have the right to say anything until it infringes on the rights of others. And calling Jews a disease is an incitement to racial hatred. How can you think it isn't? Broadcasts made during the rise of Hitler often compared Jews to a disease, insects, etc making them seem sub-human and therefore contributing to a process of acclimatising the public towards genocide. The same was reported in Rwanda - radio broadcasts called the Tutsis cockroaches.

I think you would need to look at the motivations of the speaker, when he / she says that. Why do they think that, what do they want to achieve? And while trial may seem to you to be the symbol of a police state, here it is protecting a minority's rights.
on Apr 05, 2005
Jews are controlling the world economics with careful manipulations on every aspects of life in USA.
They are, I believe, is losing ground in Europe.
And now they are invading Asia, my own beloved country (Indonesia) included, from their collaboration with that chinese corruptors protecting Singapore Government.
on Apr 05, 2005
What cases inthe US?

Basically the Canadians pased a law that restricts some foms of speach. Even in the United States there are things you cannot say in public. The famous "Fire" in the teater come to mind. Likewise I cannot stand on a street corner spouting obscenities at passers by.

I can stand there all I want, I can pass out leaflets voicing my opposition to position 68 (you do me and I'll owe you one), I can even talk at lenght about the President and my distste for his taste, but there is a line, although somewhat blurry that I canot cross.

IG
on Apr 05, 2005
And calling Jews a disease is an incitement to racial hatred


And yet, saying "Christians are weak minded" is lauded? How is the statement I listed any less inflammatory.

Saying "Jews are a disease" is not hate speech. Saying "We need to exterminate the Jews" and starting a plan to do so, is another story.

(BTW, reiki, I've unblacklisted you on my threads for the substance of your posts).
on Apr 05, 2005
Calling a people a disease is a step before measures are introduced to eradicate that disease - if we are to learn anything from history. I am interested to hear how else it could be perceived. Was he wanting people to be 'cured' of Judaism?

As for the comparison with Christians, one is an insult and the other is a threat, so while both are inflammatory, the incitement against Jews is much more serious.
on Apr 05, 2005
ItGirl kind of let it slip that she is quite biased. How can an insult be worse than a physical threat? It would take some time and some hard work for someone to forget the first and most simple rule we ever had learned. Sticks and stones will break your bones but words will never hurt you. To choose the Jewish's hurt feelings over the very real threat of violence against someone else is obviously blatantly bias. And thanks Gideon tis about time! Oh and ItGirl don't be so simple minded. Calling a group a disease isn't a primer for mass genocide against that group.
on Apr 05, 2005
ItGirl kind of let it slip that she is quite biased. How can an insult be worse than a physical threat? It would take some time and some hard work for someone to forget the first and most simple rule we ever had learned. Sticks and stones will break your bones but words will never hurt you. To choose the Jewish's hurt feelings over the very real threat of violence against someone else is obviously blatantly bias. And thanks Gideon tis about time! Oh and ItGirl don't be so simple minded. Calling a group a disease isn't a primer for mass genocide against that group.


As usual, you've lost me! What very real violence was threatened against Christians in the example above? None. The threat, as extrapolated by itgirl, was that "diseases should be eliminated." I think we are dealing with a little more than "Jewish hurt feelings."

Also, I'd be wary before I started calling people I didn't know "simple minded"--it often just shows your own ignorance.
on Apr 05, 2005
my own ignorance? Sorry Shades I don't want to get into it with you again. But let me say talk about the kettle calling...
on Apr 05, 2005
Wow, first you downplay how many Jews died in the Holocaust, hint at a Zionist conspiracy on 9-11, and now this.

While I agree that people shouldn't be jailed for voicing their views, I still maintain what I said on your other blog. Isn't it amazing how some people try and disguise their bigotry...
on Apr 06, 2005
my guess is mythgarr's response (reply #2) is exactly the diseased crop you anticipated springing forth from your unsubtle seeds of hatred.

normally this would be the very last question i'd ask but you've piqued my curiosity: which unfortunate inferior race spawned you? (i'm not serious either..so please don't take this the wrong way. just answer the question.)
on Apr 06, 2005
my own ignorance? Sorry Shades I don't want to get into it with you again. But let me say talk about the kettle calling...


It would be the first time you've gotten into anything with me--I've never commented on your blog before (at least not that I remember).

And notice that I said "it often just shows" not "you are."

I noticed you didn't answer my question either.
on Apr 07, 2005
It seems one line you are not willing to cross is that which stands between your key board and your dictionary. Why would you expect your opinions to be taken seriously when it's obvious that you're either, slow or sloppy, or both?