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There are some anomalies related to this latest 'new terrorist group's' blitz on the London transport system. Of course the most immediate and important factor to assess the incident is the visual aspect. Unfortunately, good clear images of the actual damage are overshadowed by the many images of the victims and their pain. When an explosion occurs the first thing the experts do is to look at the immediate characteristics of the blast to determine the basics, such as type of explosive and its aftermath effects. Explosions can leave clues almost as damning as someone's fingerprint, and that's whether you accept it or not.
I have been searching for a definitive account of what type of explosive was used. The lack of any smoke and incindiery effects on the bus would suggest not some low grade high-incindiery explosive, but rather the powerful high-order military explosive from the C4-Semtex-H category. The key being the word 'military'. Would a (laughable) "Secret Organization — al-Qaeda in Europe" have access to high order military explosives? These questions will be answered once more information is selectively released. Let it be said that this is a horrible tragedy and those responsible should be brought to justice in a swift manner.
State News, Retract It, Wipe Page Clean
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=85346
Israel was warned before the first explosive was even detonated. So says the Israeli news. Before they wiped it from their site. So what would that mean? That Israel had advance warning, or even possibly foreknowledge about the attack. I state now that instead of using the anti-Semite lie over this, remember it's the Israelis themselves who said they have forewarning. No me. Them.
In all honesty, don't you think the whole thing is happening to get the west all pissed at Muslims all over again? Some say kill em all, deport them, those Muslim fuckers and whatnot...The timing, no one can argue, is fortunate for some people. And for a specific few, it bought them a new lease on time.
"Secret Organization — al-Qaeda in Europe"<----fairy tales. Do you all really buy into this? Hey there's a new group in the middle east now. It's called "Top Secret - US imperialists In The Middle East"...you know that sounds silly, and the reverse is no different.
If any more anomalies pop up I will update this thread. And if I'm wrong I shall gladly retract my doubts. Just as you want evidence that proves someone did it, I seek evidence that proves someone did not.

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on Jul 07, 2005
Are you seriously saying there is not an Islamic conspiracy? There is no Al Qaeda in Europe? You must be drunk or taking the piss. I cannot express how angry and offended I am right now.



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Found this in a Time Magazine...

on Jul 07, 2005
The United States raised the terror alert a notch to code orange - result you lose a little more freedom (again)
_ Who do you think these terrorists are Muslims? or people that have a vested interest in keeping the war on terror going no matter what the cost and what is the ultimate goal of the war mongers ( Anyone with half a brain can figure out that its Al-Queda that the American backed and funded bin laden group)
so once again the terrorists win!! HOW because YOU WILL CONTINUE TO LOSE YOUR FREEDOM UNTILL YOU HAVE NONE.
THE PRICE OF FREEDOM IS VIGILANCE THE PRICE OF VIGILANCE IS FREEDOM.



on Jul 08, 2005
"The United States raised the terror alert a notch to code orange - result you lose a little more freedom (again)"


Prove it. Name a freedom that I lost today I had yesterday. Empty fearmongering.
on Jul 08, 2005
Prove it. Name a freedom that I lost today I had yesterday. Empty fearmongering


--Hmmm......*thinks real hard*....Hmmmm *thinks harder*.....Hmmmm, ya know what BakerStreet....I am unable to think of one...i wonder why...
on Jul 08, 2005
The United States raised the terror alert a notch to code orange - result you lose a little more freedom (again)


I am going to add this to my request that the left proves these allegations. Not one person loses freedoms because of a terror alert. That is just liberal rhetoric and scare tactics at work.
on Jul 08, 2005
The key being the word 'military'. Would a (laughable) "Secret Organization — al-Qaeda in Europe" have access to high order military explosives?


You do know that the same explosives are in land mines? There are millions of the things scattered all over the Kashmir region, Africa, and the Balkans.

I am sure with a plane ticket, $1000 to pay the poor guy willing to dig one up, and a duffle bag to drive across Europe (remember they really don't have boarder stops anymore), I would have enough explosives to do the same thing as London or Madrid.

The ETA and Al-Queda don't have access to the highly secure overnight terminal.


I really dought that trains are kept in highly secure areas in Spain. When I lived in Germany, most trains are stored at their last station on the open tracks, with only the doors locked. I know they are only locked because I staggered to one late night after partying to hard hoping to sleep it off and be on the first train home. I ended up sleeping in the station instead. Anyone could have spent four hours using a portable drill to attach a bomb to the bottom of a train, with only a pair of bolt cutters at the most for entry.

Again, you’re trying to build a theory that goes against common sense.
on Jul 08, 2005
Wasting your time, Lee. You can't compare this attack to Madrid, because R.H. probably thinks Israel did that one too.

Does this smack as racist to anyone else? I mean, sure, white Europeans can get military grade equipment, but if the attack wasn't with rocks or camel whips it couldn't have been an Arab?

Have we forgotten the ship that was caught between Iran and Palestine carrying $100,000,000 in Soviet and Chinese arms? Does R.H. really believe that the terrorists who blow themselves up in Israel use, say, cherry bombs?

I still want to know since insurgents in Iraq are using Russian, Chinese, and French hardware, if R.H. believes the Russians and the rest are behind it? Heck, they must be right? Where would poor terrorists get such stuff?

The same way the ones in London did.
on Jul 08, 2005
Has any group claimed responsibility yet? To my knowledge I haven't seen any so far. I would be hesitant to point fingers until we can see which group and what motives were involved.

While I think blaming Israel may be premature at this point - I would never exclude Ariel and his shanangans as innocent. All I think RH is purposing is that there are groups other that Al Quada present.
on Jul 08, 2005
yes, a group claimed responsiblity, and if you think Sharon or Israel would bomb London you really need to get a clue.

You need to go back and look at R.H.'s body of work, if you think this is 'open mindedness'. Especially the stuff about 9-11 and the holocaust...
on Jul 08, 2005
and if you think Sharon or Israel would bomb London you really need to get a clue.

Bombing London no. Deteriorating middle east relations and becoming the epi center of discontent - emphatically yes.
on Jul 13, 2005
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/12/international/europe/12intel.html?ex=1121832000&en=b693b3b6ce354623&ei=5070&emc=eta1
For those of you who like to pretend you think I'm full of shit, consider the following:
What does it mean to you that someone like me knew what kind of explosive was used solely from having seen the picture of that bus while the mainstream media, like the NYT, are just now getting around to telling you what I already said to you all, amid guffaws and trolling no less. I told you all the type of explosive used in the fabled London Attack well before you decided to believe it once it hit the mainstream.
"Because of the small size of the bombs, some investigators initially said last week that they were relatively crude."
This is a red flag for anyone willing to trust in science. The size of the bomb has no bearing on the type of explosive used. It's relative to the after effects. Experts don't initially look at how much damage the explosive caused in order to determine the type of explosive used. That's silly. They look at what kind of damage the explosive created. Like any investigator would say, different explosives all have unique 'fingerprints' which can be initially deduced by experts immediately, as soon as they get a look at the damage. Don't get fooled into thinking you can only determine the type of explosive by deducing what it is, because upon initial visual inspection you can easily determine what kind of explosives they aren't. There is something wrong with this situation and it will definitely become much clearer in the near future. When it appears, you all will the the first people I inform.
on Jul 13, 2005
Do you understand that "military grade" explosvies are available on the black market?

Your stupid conspiracy theories hold no proof, no facts, and documentation. Just bs.
on Jul 13, 2005
When it appears, you all will the the first people I inform.


It is believed that each of the four bombs consisted of ten pounds (4.5 kg) of military high explosives, possibly the explosive RDX. [13] [14] The bombs were likely placed on the floor of the trains and bus. Link

RDX forms the base for a number of common military explosives: Composition A (wax-coated, granular explosive consisting of RDX and plasticizing wax), composition A5 (mixed with 1.5% stearic acid), composition B (castable mixtures of RDX and TNT), composition C (a plastic demolition explosive consisting of RDX, other explosives, and plasticizers), composition D, HBX (castable mixtures of RDX, TNT, powdered aluminium, and D-2 wax with calcium chloride), H-6, Cyclotol and C4. Link

Good ol' Wikipedia comes through again!! ;~D
on Jul 13, 2005
I don't see why everyone is lambasting RH here. Granted the timing of the post was a little early following the deaths and destruction but isn't RH just trying to cast light on a theory.

The theory does not state Israel was behind this only that they received possible information before it happened.
The theory was putting forth the possibility that the US and or UK Gov could have something to gain by this.

I don't buy into the theory but theories are meant for discussion.
I don't know about RH's posting history but some posters are just on attack mode
on Jul 13, 2005
"I don't know about RH's posting history but some posters are just on attack mode"


Maybe the posting history is why we are in attack mode. R.H. has gotten smarter and now just alludes to Israel, instead of openly accusing them as in previous attacks.

If you want to take it all at face value, knock yourself out, but there's only so many times I can deal with holocaust revisionism, "Jews are a Disease" blogs, and "Isreal had something to do with it" theories. Sure, on the surface it is all history, free speech and paranoia, but after a while you begin to see an icky pattern in the protest.

P.S. the explosives are now suspected to have been brought in from the Balkans, where military ordinance is still available, and where terrorists have functioned openly for decades.
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